I have been training in a Cessna 172. Ran into some delays with my medical cert, so while I have been waiting I have been basically doing touch and goes with my instructor a couple of times a week with the occasional CC for good barbeque in Llano or (pick any small town in west Texas)... I have the bug, really enjoy it and planned to purchase an aircraft as soon as I could after I sold my company.
After a lot of research and conversations with a few good people here and there, I locked in on Cirrus. I sold my company and a good deal came up on an SR22 almost immediately, so I pulled the trigger. I have a couple of months before I expect my Medical to come through so it seems to make sense to me to finish my training in the SR22. I can't fly solo until I get the medical cert and there are CSIPs locally (Austin area), so it seems to me that it would be a great time to make the move and get up to speed on the aircraft from the beginning. Several pilot friends have agreed, but my insurance agent is not so sure, and thinks the aircraft might be too much for a new pilot.
What is the consensus here on first time pilots doing their training in a Cirrus SR22?
Go for it. Train in the plane you will fly in everyday. Time in type matters.
Its totally do able, just throw out any conceptions of time to learn. IE dont think you will PPL in 50hrs or something like that.
I know someone that got their PPL in a 340A; It took him ~220hrs, but they were able to get PPL, MEL, Complex and HP done all at once; Has over 500hrs and IFR now with no issues.
Some good advice here. Scott raises the Time-in-Type factor, which is quite real when you look at mishap rates for pilots of any aircraft. Based on observations over the last 12+ years, I also agree with the other poster that the “PPL-in-50/60-hours” model may not be a good one for ab initio training in the SR-22. Not only do you have to master the basic hand-eye and muscle memory mechanics of flying, you also need to master the various systems that reside in the SR-22 as well, ones your examiner will expect you to know very well. That knowledge will, however, be a great help when you go onto your IFR rating.
There’s a lot to be said for the CSIP standard, but as others have mentioned not all CSIP’s are created equal. One of the very best we have is Carol Jensen, out of Georgetown; maybe she’ll have some suggestions. Good luck in your training!
80 Hours and 300 landings in the 172. haven't let it down hard in quite a while.
Thanks everyone. Your replies have eased my mind and my insurance agent has come through with a few quotes for insurance, with a few basic exceptions of course. I think I will go with my gut and finish my training in the SR22.
I agree you should go for it, I agree that careful CFI selection is critical. A thought on this:
Michael Holland On another note I have decided that I want to have a safety pilot with me on my flights until u have also completed my IR. There is simply so much to learn outside of the training hours that I feel it's a safety first decision, especially as I want to fly with my wife and son on board.Go for it, have lots of fun and never look back :)via iCopa
IMHO, the concept of taking a safety pilot with you for an extended time may be neither a good idea nor a safety improvement. I know this will be controversial. IMHO, a large Part of the post-Checkride learning process is settling into the mindset of being pilot in command in a single pilot flying environment. This is the moment you will have to start accepting the full responsibility of being PIC. The moment to learn to enjoy and fully embrace that role. That’s when the mindset of a safe and ADM conscious pilot is formed. You are ready form it at that time, or you wouldn’t have passed the Checkride. Now it’s tim3 to bear the full load of the OIC responsibility. Don’t rob yourself of that crucial transition by taking a safety pilot. Yes, I know many pilots transition into jets and stick with mentor pilots for a while. However, that’s well after that first PIC experience. Just my two cents.
Not crazy at all. In a weird collection of circumstances, I currently have 3 PPL candidates soon to be taking check rides in their Cirrus'. 2 in SR22T's and 1 in a G5 22NA.
Two of the three have never flown anything else. One has about 20 hours of C-172 time from 20 years ago. I don't see anything about learning in a Cirrus that is too much harder than in any other plane. Landings being the exception. However, I would much rather have a new PPL out there with 150 landings in an SR22 than a new PPL transitioning into a SR22 with 15-20 supervised landings.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all. My first flight in a GA plane was in a Cirrus. I’ve never even sat in a Cessna. For business reasons, I decided to order a 2018 SR20 G6 which fits my mission perfectly flying from the seacoast of New Hampshire to outer Cape Cod. I take delivery this fall. I’ve hired a pilot who has been flying me in a rented Cirrus for the past year. He suggested on numerous occasions that I should learn to fly. I’m not the guy who has been dreaming of becoming a pilot since I was a child, quite the contrary. I took the plunge 4 months ago and have been learning to fly in a 2017 SR20 G6 at KBVY with a great CSIP. I’ve been lectured by numerous friends who fly that I should be learning in something like a Cessna 172 and not wasting my money on learning in the SR20. Although I have no basis for comparison, I have no regrets. I have expressed some frustration to my CSIP that nothing about flying seems intuitive or natural but after my last lesson, everything seems to be coming together. COPA has been a great source of information and inspiration, particularly by those who decided to learn to fly later in life.
So I’m one of the guys Trip referred to as having 15-20 supervised landings prior to being released into the wild, in fact, Trip released me after Embark. Anyway, I was at approx. 120 hours when I was able to purchase a 2002 G1 SR22, I had my ppl at 55 hours and my complex in a arrow thereafter. My high performance was achieved with the initial training with Trip. It was my flights in my flight school’s sr20 that sold me on the Cirrus brand, nothing compared(up to that point). If you can, do it. I’m now pushing 200 hours with over 70 hours in the last six months, I’m flying as much as I can and every time is a learning experience. As far as only flying cirrus, I get a kick out of flying different aircraft. Through ownership, I’m meeting owners with Mooney’s, barons etc. I get giddy getting into a plane I’ve never flown in before. I love Cessna 172’s, it is a docile aircraft that is fun to fly.
I fly for the sake of flying, to better myself with the occasional mission. If you can purchase and train in a airframe that will suit your needs, do it. Not many instructors, and certainly few csip’s will put you in a position to fail.
No, it is not crazy. I did it and many on COPA have done it. Discovery flight in Cirrus, PPL in Cirrus at about 90 hours. Bought a G5 SR22T, got my IFR at 300 hours. IFR is where learning beyond the basics really starts. It is awesome. Now moving to G6.
Training in Cirrus is more expensive. But worth it. Find an instructor that makes it fun for you, but can kick your ass when you are not focused.
If you just want to fly local VFR, Cessna will be fine. But if you want freedom to travel over mountains and across weather systems, Cirrus IFR. Then if mission justifies it, Turbine or Jet.
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