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Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request

 

Mike Busch, in a response to the blog posting on intercoolers asks this question:

"George, could you post a graph that shows the relationships between OAT, CDT, and IAT as altitude varies from SL to FL250. In other words, how much temperature increase is produced by the turbocompressor and how much temperature decrease is produced by the intercooler as the aircraft climbs up to the Flight Levels? "

 

So,  Mike,  your wish is my command ! Smile 

In this context,  CDT is  the compressor discharge air temperature (after it has been compressed and experiences the resulting temperature rise from that process.)

The  IAT ( Induction Air Temperature)  is the air temperature that actually enters the  throttle of the engine.   In the absence of an  intercooler,  the  compressor discharge air flows directly to the throttle and the CDT will  be equal to the IAT,  within a very few degrees. 

Frankly, doing this for Mike  takes a fair bit of work.  But, Mike is a good friend!   So  I decided to try to spend a couple of hours and model it up.   The results are consistent with my actual data to a remarkable degree.

As mentioned,  when looking at the graph,  keep in mind that when one does not have an intercooler,  then the CDT = IAT within a very few degrees,  by definition.

As a result, I did not plot CDT as an extra curve,  but the CDT is evident from the graphs,  by reference to the non-intercooled compressor output lines (RED).

Allowing for the various  issues described below, the results are consistent with  actual data to a remarkable degree.

In the graph below,  the assumptions are these:

1) Departure from a 5,000 foot  MSL  airport on a hot summer day ( OAT = ~ 100 deg F) and then a direct climb to altitude.  The further assumption is made that the atmosphere (away from the surface) is an  ISA + 40d F day.  By making that assumption,   anybody can figure the OAT at any altitude without having to plot it out.  For easy of reference,  at:

      Altitude              OAT (dF)             Pres (in Hg)   

     10,000                   63                           20.6                       

     15,000                   45.5                        16.9

     20,000                   28                           13.75

     25,000                   10                           11.1

 

2) Further assumptions are that there is an inherent gain in  compressor inlet temperature  (CIT ) of about 10d F (empirically verified)  above the  measured ambient (OAT) temperature,  just  due to the  air flow going from the outside to the inside of the engine compartment.   I have never seen an installation that did not have more than 10 degrees of rise from OAT to CIT.   Further,  it assumes some real world pressure losses from the compressor to the throttle of about 0.5" Hg for the non-intercooled configuration and about 1.5" Hg for the intercooled configuration.  Those are also based on empirical experience.

3)  The  mis-matched compressor efficiency number is also from real world experience with older compressor designs or even  more recent designs  where the compressor is  adapted from one  design point and used in another application where  the speed  (RPM) or the mass flow is "off "  of the normal compressor map sweet spot.  

4)  There are multiple  well matched and well designed  compressors that can operate with efficiencies well into the mid 70's percent range.    An Efficiency of  0.74 was chosen as being consistent with real world experience.

5) The intercooler efficiency of  60% is actually "OK"  for a single engine aircraft, but low for a twin engine aircraft (higher indicated speeds results in better intercooler efficiencies).   It is realistic for  a range of aircraft and climb  airspeeds   and it would be low for cruise for a well designed intercooler.

6)  These plots assume the compressor efficiency is constant across the climb profile.  That is an over simplification.  They are not.  One will  move  out of the sweet spot on the compressor at map at one end or the other of the climb. 

7) I did this in a bit of a hurry,  so it is possible I made a mistake somewhere!

Some observations: 

1) The most significant observation is that,   with a well designed  turbo & intercooler combination,  one can operate a piston aircraft  under very hot ambient conditions and the engine will continue to see relatively modest induction air temperatures - - even all the way to 25,000 feet.

2) And, conversely,  without the intercooler,  one sees some  difficult  temperatures  up into the mid  or high 200 degree F range at 25,000 feet.  Better compressor efficiencies mitigate this somewhat.

 

 If the compressor is limited in its ability to  deliver  manifold pressure because of  speed or  drive shaft torque limitations,  then below, is a further example of  how that compressor,  without an intercooler would perform.   Note,  the  example  assumes a compressor with a maximum pressure ratio of about 1.4:1.

 

 

 

  

So,  Mike,   is this the data that you  wanted to see ?

 

Regards,  George

 


Posted 15 Feb 2009 10:53 by George Braly

Comments

Michael D. Busch wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 15 Feb 2009 14:36

That's extremely interesting data, George. Thanks for developing it. As you know, I fly a Cessna T310R powered by a pair of TCM TSIO-520-BB engines. These are 285-hp, very modestly boosted 7.5-to-1 compression-ratio engines (32" MP redline up to 16,000', then pressure-ratio limited above that) and non-intercooled. Although I do not have instrumentation that lets me see CDT=IAT, I do know that keeping CHTs well-controlled at Flight Level altitudes is difficult (despite cold OATs) and often requires operating profoundly LOP. I suspect that the situation would be very different if these engines were intercooled. Unfortunately, nobody offers an intercooler STC for the T310R, and engineering one would be challenging because the geometry of the induction system on the Cessna T310 and 402 mount the throttle body physically right at the turbocompressor discharge port.

I've looked at a lot of turbocharged engine installations in a lot of airplane makes and models, and I've never seen one that even comes close in efficiency and maintainability as the TATI TN in the Cirrus SR22. Ever since I saw the prototype TN SR22 with its cowling off in Ada years ago, I've been suffering from a severe case of turbo-envy!

George Braly wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 15 Feb 2009 20:49

MIke,

I've got to confess that I'm glad you  teased me into taking the time to do those graphs.  

I had forgotten how nearly "perfect"  the IAT curve is for the TN SR 22 as one goes to altitude.  [I checked the mathmatical model in the graph against the certification data and they agree pretty closely.]

The pressure ratio in the TN SR 22 at 25,000 feet is nearly  3:1.  As you know, the turbo's in the Cessna T 3xx and T4xx series aircraft tend to be pressure ratio limited above 16,000 feet (about 1.9 : 1 on the pressure ratio.)

If the pressure ratio is not increasing with further altitude,  then one can start to mitigate the rise in IAT (as demonstrated in the  1.4:1 pressure ratio limited example in the second graph.)

But doing that when the  pressure ratio is  continuing to rise in proportion to further altitude changes above 16,000 feet - - is another trick, entirely.

With that in mind,  it is all the more "nice"  that the efficient turbo's in the TN SR 22 coupled with the non-standard design of the intercoolers (rather different than the TCM approach to their configuration) results in the IAT that essentially  remains constant in the face of the rapidly rising pressure ratio and the corresponding rapid rise in CDT.   This is largely due to the efficiency of the intercoolers  that make good use of the steadily dropping  OAT as one goes to altitude.

Regards,  George

Kevin G Boles wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 17 Feb 2009 7:02

>> the efficient turbo's in the TN SR 22 coupled with the non-standard design of the intercoolers (rather different than the TCM approach to their configuration)

George, can you please comment on that a bit further?  Thanks in advance!

George Braly wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 17 Feb 2009 15:57

>>>> the efficient turbo's in the TN SR 22 coupled with the non-standard design of the intercoolers (rather different than the TCM approach to their configuration)

George, can you please comment on that a bit further?  Thanks in advance!  <<

The turbo's on the TN SR 22 are among the two most efficient models (both nearly identical) ever put in aircraft engines.  Further,  the design point for the engine  results in their operation in the typical  climb and cruise at a mass airflow and pressure ratios that keep them very near the center of the sweet spot in the compressor maps.   We spent a lot of time and effort to ensure that as part of the preliminary design trade offs and early flight testing.

The intercoolers - -  are another story.  Take a look at a Columbia   (TSIO-550C ) some time or at a Lancair IVP (same engine).

Look at the intercoolers.  They are   roughly the same length as the TN SR 22.  But they are WIDER and they are  SHORTER (vertically) than the TN intercoolers.

The result is that they have much larger cross section for cooling air to flow through them - - and the cooling air has a much lower restriction for air flow.  The result is that those intercoolers "enjoy"  a much larger  air flow of cooling air than do the intercoolers on the TN SR 22.

At this point,  I probably have you shaking your head,  right ?  Your thoughts are,  so lets see,  if intercoolers are so wonderful,  wouldn't it be "more wonderful" if you gave them more and more cooling air flow ?

And the answer is  "yes"  - - but only if the extra cooling air flow is  "free" - - like it would be in, for example,  a liquid cooled automotive application.  

In the airplane,  any of that extra airflow inside the upper side of the cowling is airflow that liberally and easily goes through the intercoolers - -  and NOT .... where ?    

Answer:  NOT through the cylinder heads.  

We had a fairly extensive  "discussion" with the people that do intercooler core designs about our desire to NOT design these the way they had been traditionally designed - - which was a design which had no constraint on the amount of cooling air that was available.

So we optimized the intercooler physical dimensions to force  a smaller amount of cooling air flow to "interact" with the compressor discharge hot airstream for a "longer"  period of time.

By using this configuration,  we actually need LESS cooling mass air flow  than is used by the TSIO-550C in order to get equal or better  reduction in the compressor discharge temperature  before the air hits the throttle plate.

We pay a very small price for that in the weight of the intercooler "core"  - -  but we more than made up for that by engineering much lighter weight "tanks"  that are welded on to each end of the intercooler to connect up the plumbing.

The result is a  "system"  that has a larger fraction of the  total  cooling airflow that is available to cool the cylinder heads, than is the case with the typical  TSIO-550 installation.

Does that answer your question?

George  

Kevin G Boles wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 17 Feb 2009 17:55

Actually it was a wonderful explanation!  And it actually makes good sense.  Thank you very much!  One hopefully short follow-up question:  why didn't you/Cirrus simply increase the allowable airflow into the upper section of the cowling?  i.e. why not have slightly bigger holes behind the prop for air to enter - thus providing sufficient airflow for both cylinder AND intercooler to use?  I am presuming it has something to do with drag (or perhaps aesthetics :)) but am not certain.

George Braly wrote re: Compressor IAT , CDT vs Altitude - - Mike Busch's Request
on 17 Feb 2009 21:09

>>why didn't you/Cirrus simply increase the allowable airflow into the upper section of the cowling?  i.e. why not have slightly bigger holes behind the prop for air to enter - thus providing sufficient airflow for both cylinder AND intercooler to use?  I am presuming it has something to do with drag (or perhaps aesthetics :)) but am not certain.<<

Aesthetics?  Maybe Elegance.   We didn't have to increase the air inlet size on the Bonanzas to get them cool.  I was pretty sure we could do it without changing the Cirrus cowling.

Besides,  Dale and the Cirrus folks were already pretty skeptical about the whole turbo concept back in February of 2006 when we first met and talked about it.  Everybody said we couldn't  keep it cool - -  -  without major changes to the cowling.    So we hunted around on the computer and put up on the screen the climb cooling test results from the G1 prototype with the standard cowling.   It cooled better than the normally aspirated Sr 22.

We promised to finish the STC without changing the cowl inlet design ---- didn't want it to look like a Columbia with soccer ball sized inlets on each side of the spinner!

George

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